My new yak...build ????

[lonewolf]

Well my yak should arrive Tuesday and I have already recived my motor, esc
A lipo and some props. The motor is a park 450, the esc is a eflight 20 amp. the lipo is a thunder power 1320 mah 13c cont 20 c burst. The props range are as follows 10x3.8 , 10x4.7 , 11x3.8 , 11x4.7.
My questions are
1 will i need standoffs to mount the motor, the mounting holes are on the front of the motor?

2 is the 20 amp esc enough or should i use my 25 amp pheonix 25???

3 I was window shopping for lipos and I noticed that there is a big difference in cell sizes... and also the balanceing taps. My charger uses the same taps as eflight. Is there a sorce for converting the taps or should I just use what fits. ?? part 2 is there much of an advantage to useing the high mah cells seeing they appear to be much larger and heavier?
recomendations for cells is welcomed also...

Then there is the prop questions?? dia and pitch.

I have a good understanding of props for boats but am a bit lost for planes..

The boat guys are real particular about the lipos used for boats seeing the amp draws are far more than planes.

Any advice on the above topics are GREATLY appeciated Thanks in advance Dave

[bills]

Dave,
The fun is about to begin! It looks like your power setup will be a good match for the plane. Having a good selection of props is a plus also. It's nice to be able to experiment and see what works best for your own style.
As far as your question about lipo's, it's a matter of choice also. I use packs from 1100 to 2200mh on my planes. The smaller lighter ones for 3D (such as my 3D is) and the larger ones for more laid back type flying. If it were me, I don't think I would buy one with a discharge rate lower than the 13C you have. I have a couple rated a 8C that I should have saved my money on.
If I understand props correctly the measurements are the same. Like the "10X4.7", diameter 10" with a forward movement of 4.7". If I am all wet on this I am sure some one will chime in and help us out.
Oh, the question of motor mounting, I think all you will need is an X type mount that first is screwed the motor then the motor and mount attaches to the firewall. Some motors come with the mounts some don't. I fly a Hacker 2020L on my Edge 540 and a Scorpion 2215-18 on the FF Extra 260. Both came with mounts and prop adapters.
There are many folks out there flying probably about as many different setups but I'll bet the one thing they all have in common is they are having a blast.
Good Luck and have fun,

Bill

[lonewolf]

Im new to outrunners, but the park 450 has the mounting holes on the front of the motor. By the looks of it I will need 4 tubes and longer screws to mount the motor on the front of the m/m??? My props mount is a collet type is that the norm? or should i use a different kind like with the "o rings"

[lonewolf]

The lipos I have now I got with a package deal trade including the motor esc and props.. Im thinking the 11 series might be a bit big for my set up tho.
Ill see what other advice i get here . Unless the lower pitch might make them ok ???

[bills]

I think the motors we use have a little to much power and RPM to use the prop saver type prop adapters. As far as the mount for the motor, you will need the X type mount. I just checked the Hobby Zone web site and it looks like the motor you have does not come with one.:( If you go to that site or any site that deals in E-flight you will find the X mount I am talking of. They attach to the wired end of the motor and the collet type prop adapter on the shaft. I would, and do use just a touch of blue Loctite on the shaft as I put the collet on. That will keep it from spinning off. I have not lost one but I have heard of others that have.

Bill

[lonewolf]

The motor mount holes are on the front of the motor(shaft end) and I did get the "x" mount, but from what im seeing id would have to mount the motor from behind the motor mount. I dont think that is the intention of this build.
Ya from the manual it shows the motor mounting in front of mount. Im sure I need tubes that run back to the mount from the front of the motor. Im sure lhs will have them. Will a 20 amp esc be enough or should i use my 25 amp pheonix. This is fun I get to ude my brain a bit for something other than my boats. I tried glassing my hulls for the 1st time(scratch built cats), it turned out to be more work than i thought

[bills]

The lipo you have should be fine. The 11" props could tax your set up a little though. Nothing on your plane should be more than warm to the touch after a flight "assuming you are not at close to full throttle from beginning to end". The specs on your motor show it will turn 11" slow flyer props so you should be good to go.

Bill

[lonewolf]

After reading the motor destructions I find I can reverse the shaft for proper mounting yippeeee. Amazing what ya can learn by reading a bit lol...

[bills]

If I had both the 20 and 25 amp ESC, I would use the 25. One of my planes has a 20 on it and the other a 25. They both work fine. I am puzzled by your motor mount problem. If you have the 450 like the one I see on the Hobby Zone site they attach just like mine. Most of these motors are made to mount from either end, some use the collet type prop adapters and some use one that screws to the actual motor housing. Some you can change the shaft to suit your needs. I hope some one using a 450 will chime in here and give you a hand.

Bill

[bills]

One more point Dave, if you have not flown a plane like one of these before I hope you have a computer radio with dual rates so you can tone down these huge control surfaces until you become accustom to the quickness of these little birds. They can turn on a dime and be on the ground in the blink of an eye. :eek: If you do not have dual rates I would set up the control surface throws some what less than the instructions call for. I have run mine into the ground and a tree so I speak from experience.:o

Bill

[lonewolf]

Oh Im all over tameing it down. Yes i have dual rates. I am guessing ill start somewherearound 25 % for the low end and 50% at the hi end for now.
I do have some heli exp, so i have learned how fast they can hit the dirt or whatever else maybe in the way lol. I have also been getting in alot of sim time. i have doing alot of indoor simtime to get used to smaller working areas and how to recover form the awws*** . I intentionally get myself in bad spots just to practice getting out and recovering.

[bills]

A sim has saved me a lot of money, just wish I had got it sooner.

[lonewolf]

Well I got my yak today..I managed to get most of the fuse done. I did run into 1 questionable area. The front lower fuse cover. I could not find that pc, tho the was a pc that fit and it had a series of holes in it. My kit seems to be one of the older kits due to the woodpushrod mounts. I was thinking my lower fuse part might have holes in it for ventilation???? I didnt see a good pick of it in the manual... For the most part it a well thought out kit.
It was a joy doing a kit that I didnt have to hand cut ech pc and pc fit everything together. It was a nice break from my boat scratch building.

[lonewolf]

Well my yak is 95 % mechanically together. next will be stickers set the servos and set the radio...
With that My 1st ??? is the radio its been a few too many yrs to remember so ill ask
I and not planning any serius 3d to start. Seeing I havent flown anything like this Im guess ill want to start at about 60-75 % max control surface throw with my dual rates set at about 50% of that.
My intents are at 1st to have just enough control for basic park flight without over control. I am thinking that i will use my power settings for landings... but I will want more control for main flight... bear/bare with me.
I want to ba able to have hmmm how do i say it med /strong cntrol for main flight but use dual rates when landing. Or the option of more control...??? I am aware that this plane can do a "u" turn within its own space this I do not want..... I am looking for a solid control to get out of trouble not creat trouble lol...
If anyone has a good radio set up program that describes this I would really apreciate the help.
I am running a jr 437 radio Itd fully comp ready with various mixing tho thats a bit over my head at this point. M power set up is park 450 with 25 amp pheonix. I have 2 lipos 1 thunger power 1320 /13c 3s and a 1500/20c eflight. my props are 10x3.8 10x4.7 11x3.8 11x4.7
I am looking for a clean solid set up. I dont need alot of speed but pullout power will be nice to have.

I would really appreciate some set up info from the guys who know..
I am not a experienced plane flyer tho I am kinna getting bored with the sim
I fly mostly in the e fest indoor areane to keep the challenge high for park flfying and being able to stay in tight. My plane is set up with hs55 and hs 65 for the rudder. any help would be GREATLY appreciated Thanks Dave... Will be posting pics of the build this weekend if lucky pics of 1st flight HHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.... Dave

[lonewolf]

I should add that I have 2 packs 1 is a 1320 13c thinder power the other s a e flight 1500 20c I am lokking for a easy 1st few flight to get the feel with the option of a bit more control. once I get the feel of things I will adjust accordingly Im just needing a basic 1st few flights set up. I dont wanna fly it into the dirt 1st time time. Thanks Guys..Dave

[I.C.O.N.]

Where are you at Lonewolf?

I am out in plymouth right now and could possibly help ya out on your first flight.

Andy

[I.C.O.N.]

I would go with the 11X3.8 prop and the 1320 batt to start with.

The 11" prop will be a little slower with more thrust and more stability.

The 1320 batt will be a little lighter too.

Great day to fly out there!

Have Fun!
Andy

[lonewolf]

So far I have the radio set up with the dual rates at 30 and 60 % with linear expo. I still have to get the stickers on... lol Any idea what the wind speed is I see branches moving.

[Coonak]

I would go with 125% and 70% Dual Rates, with at least 50% Expo.
These planes are 3D animals... give it herbs! LOL!

Mick

[lonewolf]

Well my 1st flight wasnt so good , due to a few factors. 1 set up being too conservative which lead to next issue not enough throw to pull out of a bad situation. I needed more throw on the elev, which lead to the crash oopsw live and learn. Once I get over it ill post the pics.
I did meet up with another foilz pilot who got me steered in the right direction today. Thanks Andy(ICON), you really helped alot and showed my it can be done and that my plane is deffinately flightworthy. I will get the hang of this. Once im hooked tho Im sure Ill be ordering more planes...
It happened with the boats start with one then gotta have more ..
Now I have 5 boats in my fleet. This r/c stuff is worse than crack gotta have more. Dave Thanks for all the advice guys....

[lonewolf]

So I got to messing around with the radio. Ive got the rates at 70 &100 with 60%expo seems a bit more comfortable. Having full throw is just too much for me yet but I will admit there is aneed for haveing alot of throw. I upped the expo to 60% for a lil more comfort room. Seems my yak is set up opposite than the sim for rudder so I need to reverse that when useing the sim. I also moved the linkage out 2 holes on the servo horn to get more throw. Tmo is a new day hopefully with nice weather and lil if no wind to give a second try at things. Well im off to order another lipo. Thanks all for the help Dave

[I.C.O.N.]

Hi Dave, was great meeting you today.

Thanks for letting me fly the Yak. It was a quick first flight. Trying to take off after a trim adjustment the wind took the poor little plane and I dinged up the wingtips a little. (SORRY DAVE!) A little more throw on the elevator and moving the CG forward a bit will make this one great flying bird!

Make sure you start with all the surfaces back to a nuetral position before your next flight. by Changing the CG and adding more throw it's a whole new ballgame.

This is the first Full fuse plane I have seen from Airfoilz and must say it looks great!

Hope tomorrow is another nice day and maybe a little calmer. I have my flash ready to go and will be back at work in the morning if you want to try and meet up again. Just give me a call around 9am.

Have Fun!
Andy

[lonewolf]

Shell see how the morning goes... So where is the hot place to order lipos ive got a lil paypal cash im thinking 1300-1500 15c min.. jst taps???

[Jimv]

<Seems my yak is set up opposite than the sim for rudder>

Make sure the YAK rudder direction is set properly. Push the stick to the right and the rudder moves to the right. Push the stick to the left and the rudder moves to the left when looking from behind.

[lonewolf]

All Is good with the set up. I just had to change the cxontrol mapping on the sim.... Almost no wind outside percfect for flying well except that it is raining... Cant wait to get a 2nd try at it...

[I.C.O.N.]

Yup, I got rained out after one flight.

Looks like april showers all week.

Let us know how it goes on the second Try Dave. Maybe we can meet up again. I'll give ya a crack at my EPP plane.

Have Fun!
Andy

[lonewolf]

Well I ordered another 15oo mah lipo today, got it from tower its 15c .
Ill be useing google earth to find some good places to fly and meet at. Might even have a few less light poles...lol Ill try and find a place bewtween us for easy driveing... gotta take that into account with todays gas prices...grrr
With that thought I need to fill mine up for the week its on empty, I hope prices went down some since yesterday lol

Well I think I got most everything set just need to doublecheck the control surfaces and throws which ill do today since its raining then it should be time for attempt #2 How about onna those sim flyins????

[I.C.O.N.]

Might wanna check these guys out. (http://www.xcitebattery.com/index.htm)

I haven't tried them yet but the prices look pretty good for some 20-25C batts. Look nice and light too.

Maybe a fly in tonight?

Lets post in that thread and see if there is any iterest.

Later,
Andy

[lonewolf]

This evening say after 6 ish. I have a birthday party for a niece this afternoon. WWWeeeee but they feed us well lol..

[lonewolf]

Well I had my 1st successfull flight yesterday. I Do mean my 1st flight that didnt end in a crash. And my 1st flight with a plane haveing ore than 1 channel(rudder) I did hover my excell 32 heli a few times with one flight that ended in a crash.
How ever Im pretty pumped about having gotten my 1st real flight under the belt.... pics are of my ist attempt oops, and a pic of the prior. Nothing some c/a wont fix. It was later flown same day by I.C.O.N.(Andy) Thanks Andy for helping out and test flying her...