Mikey
11-03-2006, 04:10 PM
I get a lot of the same questions. So I am starting a thread to answer all of them. As more come up I will continue to add my answers to this thread. Remember this is just my opinion some might not agree with me.
"which one (yak, edge, and mobius) do you prefer"
There is no good answer to this I like them all for different reasons. I will tell you the good points of all of them and you should be able to decided which is the best fit for you.
The Edge is the best for 3D its tumbles more violently then the yak and has a more responsive fell doing 3D. The precision is the worst out of the three planes not say that it wont Imac it will but when you get into the higher level sequence IE one roll circles it likes to push out. So for basic IMAC it is fine it is the high level moves that you will see the short comings of it. Basic Imac and hardcore 3D the Edge is the ticket.
The Yak is a In between plane it 3Ds well and Imacs well. It just does not 3D quite as well as the Edge or flies precision as well as the Mobius. It flies precision Better than the Edge and 3Ds better than the Mobius. The yak is less sensitive in 3D more forgiving so to speak then the edge. The yak is not quite as responsive and does not tumble quite as well. Not to take anything away from what the Yak is capable of look at the videos it will out 3D any plane it is put up against in its class but not its brother the edge. Imac with Yak is better than the Edge you can fly the advanced IMAC maneuvers with the yak it. It does not groove quite like the Mobius in low wind 5-10 to can fly any IMAC sequence with the Yak. When I grab a plane to fly on a whim this is the one I grab because if I want to get a sequence in I can do it if I want to play it will 3D great.
The Mobius is a purpose built plane it was design to pattern/IMAC fly it does this very well. This is defiantly a IMAC practice plane it groves very well up 15 mph wind you can practice all day with that much wind. This plane it by far is the best at groving and holding it lines and pattern maneuvers. As far as 3D the mobius will hover, high alfa knife edges, rolling harriers but for 3D that is about it. The long tail moment limits the amount of 3D tumbels that you need for a lot of moves. So as far as 3D I would rate the Mobius as the worst of the group but the best for precision.
"How hard can you crash them"
I simple terms harder than a balsa plane but less than an epp plane. The planes are durable but not crash prof. Well what does that mean. Well they will take the hits that happen when you 3D low. If its a WOT crash you will need a lot of epoxy or order a refresher kit. They can not take a full sped hit into the ground. On that note unless you have mechanical failure most people do not crash WOT. Low slow dorks into the ground that would break a balsa plane no problem on the AirfoilZ planes. All planes are a compromise in some sense AirfoilZ planes are no exceptions they fly the best. But they do not crash as well as epp plane but fly so much better. The key when you crash the AirfoilZ is to get out of the throttle don't let it hit with power on. I crash all the time I have a yak from May that has been put in to many times to count it only has a little epoxy in it. When you know that you number has been called on a maneuver get out of the throttle and you probably wont have any damage.
"What is your Ideal Setup and is the recommended setup any good"
All videos were shot with recommended setups except for the second edge video with the flat spin to landing I used HS65 servos in the plane. So the plane is capable of all what you see in the videos with the recommended setup.
There is a few things to take into consideration on this question. Most importantly how good are you. If you are a top notch pilot in can fell when a servo gives on you in a 3D maneuver then you need the HS65. This literary takes thousand of hours of practice it did for me at least to tell. I am not talking about when you get a complete blow back because the HS55 will not do that on this plane. They will still hold there own you only get 5-20 deg blow back on hard core maneuvers with the 55s. This situation only occurs when you fly the heck out of the plane low slow 3D that 95% of the pilots do out there the HS55s are fine. So yes the recommended setup is good for 95% of the people out there. QQ if you are asking... go with the HS65s.
MY Ideal setup is as follows:
Axi 2217/16
CC ESC
11X5.5E not SF
HS65s
05S Receiver
Vislero 1300 20C
"What battery do you like the best"
Well I like the weight of the 1320 size batteries the best but I am so hard on them that I go with the 1300 Vislero 20C. They don't break a sweat and I think they will last almost forever. The plan handles the weight no problem. Again for the average person go with the 1300 15C unless you fly WOT for most of the flight.
"I am learning 3D should I get a AirfoilZ or EPP"
It depends on your approach to learning if you are going to go out and try to do every trick in the book 12 inches off the ground on your first flight having never flown 3D before go with EPP. I assume when people ask me this they already know how to fly so if you take it easy and do maneuvers one mistake high to get the basics down then remember to be off the throttle when you do bring it down and crash. You will be OK with the AirfoilZ. The AirfoilZ planes are easier to 3D do to the rigid design of the plane they do not flex and there is no delay in your input and what the plane does as with EPP planes do to their flexible design. EPP is not a good training platform form because they do not handle like a true balsa plane. You can move from a AirfoilZ to a 35-40% plane no problem but not an EPP plane.
"What is the Best way to learn 3D"
A SIM. The sim will give you more time to practice then any plane can. Get G3 go online and there are lots of capable 3D pilots that will help you learn myself included. Then practice practice practice. At least 30 min every day for a few weeks. You will learn very fast if you fly everyday on the sim.
"I would like to do a lot of 3d with it and also would like to do some things with variable pitch, which plane would you recommend?"
As of now I do not know of a VPP for 18 oz Range that the AirfoilZ planes are in.
"Can you fly these planes indoor as well?"
Yes but they were designed to fly outdoors with wind not being an issue. If you are looking for a indoor plane AirfoilZ current line is not the way to go.
"which one (yak, edge, and mobius) do you prefer"
There is no good answer to this I like them all for different reasons. I will tell you the good points of all of them and you should be able to decided which is the best fit for you.
The Edge is the best for 3D its tumbles more violently then the yak and has a more responsive fell doing 3D. The precision is the worst out of the three planes not say that it wont Imac it will but when you get into the higher level sequence IE one roll circles it likes to push out. So for basic IMAC it is fine it is the high level moves that you will see the short comings of it. Basic Imac and hardcore 3D the Edge is the ticket.
The Yak is a In between plane it 3Ds well and Imacs well. It just does not 3D quite as well as the Edge or flies precision as well as the Mobius. It flies precision Better than the Edge and 3Ds better than the Mobius. The yak is less sensitive in 3D more forgiving so to speak then the edge. The yak is not quite as responsive and does not tumble quite as well. Not to take anything away from what the Yak is capable of look at the videos it will out 3D any plane it is put up against in its class but not its brother the edge. Imac with Yak is better than the Edge you can fly the advanced IMAC maneuvers with the yak it. It does not groove quite like the Mobius in low wind 5-10 to can fly any IMAC sequence with the Yak. When I grab a plane to fly on a whim this is the one I grab because if I want to get a sequence in I can do it if I want to play it will 3D great.
The Mobius is a purpose built plane it was design to pattern/IMAC fly it does this very well. This is defiantly a IMAC practice plane it groves very well up 15 mph wind you can practice all day with that much wind. This plane it by far is the best at groving and holding it lines and pattern maneuvers. As far as 3D the mobius will hover, high alfa knife edges, rolling harriers but for 3D that is about it. The long tail moment limits the amount of 3D tumbels that you need for a lot of moves. So as far as 3D I would rate the Mobius as the worst of the group but the best for precision.
"How hard can you crash them"
I simple terms harder than a balsa plane but less than an epp plane. The planes are durable but not crash prof. Well what does that mean. Well they will take the hits that happen when you 3D low. If its a WOT crash you will need a lot of epoxy or order a refresher kit. They can not take a full sped hit into the ground. On that note unless you have mechanical failure most people do not crash WOT. Low slow dorks into the ground that would break a balsa plane no problem on the AirfoilZ planes. All planes are a compromise in some sense AirfoilZ planes are no exceptions they fly the best. But they do not crash as well as epp plane but fly so much better. The key when you crash the AirfoilZ is to get out of the throttle don't let it hit with power on. I crash all the time I have a yak from May that has been put in to many times to count it only has a little epoxy in it. When you know that you number has been called on a maneuver get out of the throttle and you probably wont have any damage.
"What is your Ideal Setup and is the recommended setup any good"
All videos were shot with recommended setups except for the second edge video with the flat spin to landing I used HS65 servos in the plane. So the plane is capable of all what you see in the videos with the recommended setup.
There is a few things to take into consideration on this question. Most importantly how good are you. If you are a top notch pilot in can fell when a servo gives on you in a 3D maneuver then you need the HS65. This literary takes thousand of hours of practice it did for me at least to tell. I am not talking about when you get a complete blow back because the HS55 will not do that on this plane. They will still hold there own you only get 5-20 deg blow back on hard core maneuvers with the 55s. This situation only occurs when you fly the heck out of the plane low slow 3D that 95% of the pilots do out there the HS55s are fine. So yes the recommended setup is good for 95% of the people out there. QQ if you are asking... go with the HS65s.
MY Ideal setup is as follows:
Axi 2217/16
CC ESC
11X5.5E not SF
HS65s
05S Receiver
Vislero 1300 20C
"What battery do you like the best"
Well I like the weight of the 1320 size batteries the best but I am so hard on them that I go with the 1300 Vislero 20C. They don't break a sweat and I think they will last almost forever. The plan handles the weight no problem. Again for the average person go with the 1300 15C unless you fly WOT for most of the flight.
"I am learning 3D should I get a AirfoilZ or EPP"
It depends on your approach to learning if you are going to go out and try to do every trick in the book 12 inches off the ground on your first flight having never flown 3D before go with EPP. I assume when people ask me this they already know how to fly so if you take it easy and do maneuvers one mistake high to get the basics down then remember to be off the throttle when you do bring it down and crash. You will be OK with the AirfoilZ. The AirfoilZ planes are easier to 3D do to the rigid design of the plane they do not flex and there is no delay in your input and what the plane does as with EPP planes do to their flexible design. EPP is not a good training platform form because they do not handle like a true balsa plane. You can move from a AirfoilZ to a 35-40% plane no problem but not an EPP plane.
"What is the Best way to learn 3D"
A SIM. The sim will give you more time to practice then any plane can. Get G3 go online and there are lots of capable 3D pilots that will help you learn myself included. Then practice practice practice. At least 30 min every day for a few weeks. You will learn very fast if you fly everyday on the sim.
"I would like to do a lot of 3d with it and also would like to do some things with variable pitch, which plane would you recommend?"
As of now I do not know of a VPP for 18 oz Range that the AirfoilZ planes are in.
"Can you fly these planes indoor as well?"
Yes but they were designed to fly outdoors with wind not being an issue. If you are looking for a indoor plane AirfoilZ current line is not the way to go.